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December 10, 2007

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CaptainAmerica

Meanwhile 9 people were killed by the ice storm today. Whats your point?
Eliminating an entire civil right because some maniacs abuse it? If that were the case no dopey liberal would ever be allowed the right of free speech again.

More left wing nonsense. There were more people killed in Europe in the last century than will EVER be killed in the US. Thats because WE ALL OWN GUNS. Sorry to bust your Utopian bubble.

Caleb

"Thats because WE ALL OWN GUNS."???

How do you reach that conclusion?

MRJ

Uh, hello doofus, the person who stopped the church shooter was a private citizen carrying...

pat

wrong, lefty!!! a private person used her gun and stopped the gunman from killing more. you stinking liberals disgust me

""She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon."

jim

What gun control advocates fail to realize is that gun control laws only disarm LAW-ABIDING citizens thereby leaving those citizens defenseless. Criminals will still obtain firearms through black-market means and care little about the consequences of a gun charge when taken in context of the consequences for the larger crime in which they are employing the firearm.

sheril

crazy really to think guns are the problem the person shooting people is the problem did they need help yeesss did they get it noo! no one in their right mind would do this which leads me to the question about health care in this country and the pharmac. co. who make mental illness meds outragiously high that people who do get diagnosed cant get what they need

AK

Hey Drone--what else would you like to do away with in the name os sensitivity and safety? Freedom of the Press and Speech to silence pornographers who 'objectify' women..or those ubiquitous neo-Nazis ...maybe we should revive the 18th Amendment to preserve the estimated 100,000 Americans who lose their lives every year to alcohol-relates illness and accident? But no.i am sure you view it as your birthright right unimpeded to say, write, or drink what you please...so kiss off, loon...

Bowling for answers

Greg, Canadian's have a lot of guns also. They don't have the same violent society that we do. I don't think that guns are the problem. It's a society that glorifies violence and refuses to help so many untreated mentally ill people.

Brian

When are some of these morons gonna get it. Making more gun laws does nothing. Just look at D.C. and Chicago. Two of the highest crime rates year after year. Criminals are called criminals because they don't follow laws, making more doesn't do a thing. Thankfully Colorado allows law abiding citizens to carry and lives were saved because of it. And as a bonus no taxpayer money will have to be spent prosecuting the crazy shooter or keeping him alive the rest of his miserable life!

Mark Fisher, Bexley, Ohio

The Swiss experience suggests that the widespread availability of guns is a factor in gun crime, but not the only factor or even the major one. Because Switzerland has a militia system, there are many assault rifles (fully automatic military ones, that is) and semi-automatic pistols kept in the homes of Swiss reserve soldiers. Switzerland does have a higher rate of gun crime than do neighboring European nations with strict gun bans, but it's nowhere near the U.S. rate. Something else is at work.

Marilyn

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate which passed the Bill of Rights.)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)

"The great object is that every man be armed… Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)

Columbine, VTech, and all the killings each day here in Cincinnati; why do we continue to defend the right to bear arms? What would we lose, besides a huge daily death count, if we ban guns?

Do we either outlaw guns 100% or fully arm each and every citizen? Would the total armament of US citizens be a deterrent to gun crime? You know, a return to marshall law and the wild, wild west.

Something needs to be done. What we are doing is clearly not working.

foxyroxy

U.S. Death statistics, 2006 (from cdc.gov):

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 652,486
Cancer: 553,888
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,074
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 121,987
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 112,012
Diabetes: 73,138
Alzheimer's disease: 65,965
Influenza/Pneumonia: 59,664
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 42,480
Septicemia: 33,373

So it would seem to me that I have a lot more to fear from my own body than from guns.

The problem in this country is not guns--the problem in this country is that we do not treat the mentally ill properly.

every time something like this happens the gun control people come out of the woodwork. what i want to know is, where are the mental health advocates? because THAT's what the problem is.

Sabina

And a private citizen exercising HER right to carry a weapon shot and killed the bastard. Amen for the 2nd amendment. If we "disarm" everyone, the only ones with guns will be the criminals. Maybe if more people were trained and carrying the bad guys would think twice.

Debbs

so ....another shooting?

ho-hum!

Rick

Damn, we're a Frightened Nation.... where men are so weak that they have to hide behind guns.

Tony

Its a complex problem, but it is obvious to me that we have a problem in the U.S. with the wrong people getting guns. I believe we are neglectful in our care of the mentally ill. All these shooters seem to be people that needed help, but fell through the cracks. The mental illness is one thing. The ease in which they aquire lethal weapons is another thing. I am convinced that if any of these unstable individuals had not had guns lives would have been spared. It is hard to take people out in a shopping mall with a knife or any other non-lethal weapon. If the guy at the church rolled in there with a hammer and tried to hit people over the head, I don't believe he would have been very successful. I may not have answer, but many people act as though there is no problem. Well there is and its not going to change until we stop neglecting our mentally ill and controlling the dispersal of guns so freely. I believe that guns serve some purpose and realize it takes someone to pull the trigger, but as long as innocent people are dying we have a problem.

Marilyn

I like Rick's response best of all.

Nom Deplume

By Greg's reasoning, Washington, DC, where it is utterly illegal to own a gun, is the safest place in the U.S.

He should move to Anacostia for a month and let us know if that is correct.

maybe it's the men

What do these people who commit such atrocities have in common? Not just guns--they're all men. And they're rarely ever disenfranchised minorities. They're young white (or in the case of Virginia Tech, Asian) guys. Maybe the people who are raising boys need to look at what they are doing to turn them out into the world feeling so powerless and angry and devoid of compassion for the lives they ruin along with their own.

David E. Gallaher

Some folks think government has the Midas touch; turns everything it touches into gold. I'm of the opinion it turns everything it touches into mufflers.
I'm a peaceful anarchist. Gregory Flannery is a communist.
Government has only one modus operandus: war.
War on foreigners, war on poverty, war on drugs, war on ignorance....
I don't like wars. The "just war" theory of St. Augustine is bullshit.
Now Gregory wants his government to declare a fresh, new war on guns.
I don't think so. Wars always escalate. They always cause unexpected collateral damage of widespread proportions.

joe_up_north

Why was she carrying a gun in a church though? Is there not some official or unofficial church wrist slappin rule against that? I mean i would never want to enter a Baptist church (for example) if I knew they were all packin ak-47s would you?
Or those Catholics and switch-blades.....

Jason The Saj

Hey Bozo....

1. Criminals will ALWAYS have access to guns!

2. The church in Colorado had two people killed. It would have been closer to a dozen. Guess what stopped it?

A citizen with a gun...

You want to stop gun massacres. Put more guns into society. Let's college professors be armed. Let more good citizens be armed.

Anytime you give bullies and criminals freedom to use force but take it away from their victims - you merely damn their victims.

Jeff Capell

To all you right wing gun nuts using the Co church shootings as 'proof' that citizens should have unfettered access to guns: THE SECURITY GUARD DIDN'T KILL THE SHOOTER, HE SHOT HIMSELF!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/12/12/2007-12-12_colorado_church_gunman_killed_self.html

The wack-job cop wannabe who was driving around with a gun looking for trouble didn't take this guy out. She was probably a bigger threat to bystanders while she half-assed blasted away.

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