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May 18, 2007

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David Gallaher

Another "faith-based initiative" based on faith which equates with bullshit.
Our tax dollars at play.
Margo, your set-up for this post titillated me. I've had a hard time getting a grip on myself.

Neal

Both of my children are in high school and have participated in these "education" programs as a part of their health class. They were quickly able to see if for what it was and the agenda being presented. Fortunately, we chose to do our own education as parents.

Marilyn

When my daughter turned 15, I had The Talk with her. I told her straight up that if she was going to have sex, let me know and I would take her to planned parenthood. We talked of STD's and unwanted pregnancy.

It was two years later when she came to me and said, "Mom, I need to go to planned parenthood". So I took her.

It's one of the things I did right as a parent.

Gregory Flannery

I think abstinence before marriage is a good idea, especially for teenagers. But the government has no right or legitimate interest in promoting such a notion; that's for individuals to decide.

Scott

Abstinence only advocates at the national level are trying to push a poll down the media's throat pretending that Americans support ab-only education. This analysis suggests otherwise:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2007/05/17/if-only-this-absitnence-poll-were-honest-debunking-naea

David Gallaher

Neal,
Is this like the D.A.R.E. program which doesn't keep kids off drugs?

Marilyn

*sigh* I wish (so much) we could return to Little House on the Prairie or Mayberry... it was a much simpler and sweeter time.

The fact of the matter is that we are not there. Not today. It is sad in many ways.

Margo

Marilyn,

Teens were getting knocked up then too, they just weren't included in the TV script.

There have never been "simpler times," but he wish to not have to deal with these that is exactly why "abstinence only" fails. It doesn't deal with reality.

Why torture yourself for what never was and isn't very likely to ever be?

David Gallaher

Hi Margo!
Yes these are the "good ol' days" in spite of government programs and in spite of government dominating our lives more and more. Government has limited our progress to incremental when it would have been exponential. (I know that's difficult for most people to grasp. A road not taken is hard to picture.)
Tax rates since 1913 when the income tax was first enacted compared to tax rates today give one indicator of what I'm trying to convey.

Action News

To me, teaching abstinence is like closing the barn door after the horse got out, in the sense that this society has commercialized sexuality for teenagers to such an extent that they feel like they HAVE to have sex, even when they don't want it.

I don't buy this idea that all teenagers are compulsively driven to have sex. Anyone reading this forum who is over 40 years old remembers a time when the vast majority of teenagers, while somewhat obsessed with sex, were able to hold off (at least getting to "home plate") because the general consensus was that you'd get your ass whupped, either by your parents or by Your Future.

Some people might say that this is someone dreaming about a "simpler time," "Ozzie and Harriet" etc., and this might be true ... but to me, our "more complicated time" is simply turning people (children) into objects (sex objects) to fulfill the roles of consuming and being consumed, something that this society does so well and is doing with greater intensity as time goes on.

Marilyn

Action News (formerly known as Dave), very astute observations. Thanks for sharing...

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